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    Tags: RDF semantic linked-data collective intelligence visualization   

    There is a very interesting conversation going on at the FB P2P group page.

    An excerpt by Poor Richard: “I am imagining a semantic ontology according to which the key ideas and data of this content could be parsed and tagged to form a distributed database using semantic linked-data structures. This would help transition the collective knowledge base of the research, activist, and social entrepreneurial communities into a machine-readable, semantically linked, searchable form.”

    And another one, most releavant here: “Another part of the “research information system” I am visioneering is pattern detection and recognition. An ontology gives us a set of semantically charged patterns. Then what we need is a pattern language with which to parse existing content and match it with our ontology. I am thinking of something like the “regular expressions” used in the old unix text editors or in the Pearl and Awk programming languages I once used.”

    Now, I have been thinking a while around such ideas. Ontology (e.g. using OWL) as proposed academically has some drawbacks, as it would imply everybody to share and adopt the same ontology. This looks rather difficult.

    Without going too much into details, I have been imagining some very different approach. By my observation, collective intelligence works best when it is decoupled in time and space – distributed. As an example, as a bread job I have been implementing a web site recently. For all the pieces I could not immediately find a solution, I browsed the web and found the information I need – from PHP details, to CSS, to javascript. That is standard practice developing and collective intelligence at best.

    Another great example is twitter. At its heart are short messages. Like lego pieces. It’s then up to minds to actually mesh-up tweets, make links, etc.

    So I am imagining an approach similar to this instead of some kind of platform for a next step. We already know the power of folksonomies, and there are great tools like Diigo out there. The problem is these are non-linked data with limited capabilities for harnessing.

    I am thinking of a tagging folksonomy approach which would enrich or publish data to RDF. Having RDF data we than can re-map all this data semantically. We can tag data with geo-tags, and visualize them on maps. They can be tagged in other forms to visualize differently (e.g. connections between projects, groups, etc.). We can tag videos and pictures to make them searchable, etc. People could come up with countless new ways of visualizing data – where Visual Y would pick up…

    Interested in opinions if this makes sense. Thanks for reading.

     
    • seh 4:36 pm on October 19, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      BTW, this reminds me that IEML http://ieml.org could be considered an alternative to RDF in some cases, although RDF could be used as a data format for expressing it, or in combination with arbitrary RDF URI’s

    • Poor Richard 4:59 pm on October 19, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Greets, tawhuac

      I’m glad you picked up on that P2P fb thread. There’s more on this topic in the Next Net and Global Survival Google Groups, and I’ve also been tossing it around with folks at the W3C Read Write Web Community Group and various mail lists.

      The trouble with folksonomies like you get from diigo or the like is no category/subcategory organization. You might impose this later, perhaps, but after the fact the semantic relationships between tags are not as clear as when you first assign them to a tweet, web page, link or whatever. I may be wrong about this, but it seems important at this point.

      Using Diigo as an example, it has some great features, not the least of which is poping its tagging dialog up in whatever your active window may be and automatically capturing the url, etc for you.

      What Diigo and other similar apps don’t do:

      1. let you access your entire existing folksonomy, alphabetized, in the dialog box or auto-complete if you manually type a tag. So you wind up with many variants of the essentially the same tag.

      2. let you hierarchically group tags into categories or sub categories, and define those on the fly

      3. let you define crosslinks between tags, categories, and subcategories (tags and subcategories may relate to more than one main category)

      4. they don’t publish the data to RDF or some linked-data format.

      What do you folks think?

      PR

      • tawhuac 5:06 pm on October 19, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks for responding Richard!

        The trouble with folksonomies like you get from diigo or the like is no category/subcategory organization.

        Well that’s exactly the point of tagging, to get rid of categorization, because you’ll never get the categorization right. Tagging allows multi-dimensional categorization, and a simple search by tag is in fact a “click” on a category, so this

        2. let you hierarchically group tags into categories or sub categories, and define those on the fly

        thus doesn’t seem like someting I’d want to have…
        The key in your comment, and the point why I was writing the post, is exactly this:

        What Diigo and other similar apps don’t do:

        Which however we could do here using RDF or similar semantic approaches.
        And then visualize the data. πŸ™‚

        • ddrrnt 10:48 pm on October 19, 2012 Permalink | Reply

          I’ve utilized a syndication plugin for WordPress into which diigo RSS can be fed and content categorized and sub-categorized to our heart’s content.

          @aay We could set up a space to aggregate bookmarks from Diigo. I’d suggest that we have a conversation surrounding the YWorld’s preferred folksonomy, if there isn’t one already.

    • openworld 4:13 am on October 22, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Stephanie LeMieux has some intriguing ideas on a hybrid approach to folksonomies and taxonomies (slide 18 onwards) at http://www.slideshare.net/Earley/hybrid-approaches-to-taxonomy-folksonmy … useful for YWorlds?

    • tawhuac 1:45 pm on October 22, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks Mark, it looks very useful to me and sparked some thinking!

    • poietic 9:44 pm on November 6, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      hi tawhuac,

      i’ve been researching the semantic web and structuring meaning through ontologies, folksonomies, folksontological approaches, IEML, gamification of semantic tagging, and also the data analysis side of it.

      i’ve also been sort of prototyping graph networks manually using a tool called Compendium for many years, and we just launched a collaborative platform inspired in part by that. check out metamaps.cc.

      it is our imagining of how these nebulous infocologies can be mapped and traveled.

      Basically we want to give you the ability to create and navigate knowledge networks fluidly, and build up both structured and unstructured relations. it is in its infancy but i’d like to collaborate with both you and others here on building knowledge networks.

      definitely open to talk about the rationale and reasoning behind design, and the feedback map also has some good insights.

      if you’d like an invite, i can post the invite code to this community. there are also others in yworlds who can invite you as well πŸ™‚

      p.s. we are doing this from an integrative commons-based approach.

    • tawhuac 1:22 pm on November 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Ishan, definitively very interested and thanks for the open invitation, appreciated. I checked metamaps.cc, and I like the navigational and the filtering elements very much, albeit failing to see the collaborative platform part in it so far. Unfortunately I lack skills in 3D development yet, but I could also picture traversing “nebolous infocologies” in 3D virtual space…

      • poietic 5:00 pm on November 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        yeah, we haven’t yet built the feature to share maps, but if you do create public or commons topics, those can be seen and linked to by everyone else on the platform.

        you can go to http://metamaps.cc/users/new and use the invite code: 1ak3xvjq

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    Tags: Introduction   

    Hi all, happy to be here, and I see some familiar faces from various web-endeavours in the member’s section :).
    My name is Fabio Barone, I grew up in Switzerland from Italian parents. I now live in Medellin, Colombia, South America. I’d say my main tag is Generalist, with lots of interests in a diversity of topics ranging from permaculture, to complexity, to collective intelligence. I have been writing software and architecting IT systems since 1996, with some breaks for traveling ;). I have a masters degree in Holistic Science from Schumacher College/Plymouth University, Devon UK, where I also peeked into the transition town movement. My main driver is to contribute to the birthing of a human society in symbiosis with your beautiful hosting planet. I love nature, and enjoy hikes and trips to the countryside. I also love to play music (see my free CC music at http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/holoniverse), speak 7 languages fluently, and love making bread. Looking forward to participate here. Blessings.

     
    • AAY 3:33 pm on October 17, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks Fabio. Looking forward to working with you. We will be in touch soon with our first team meetings. Alan

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